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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:23:00 -
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No, this isn't a complaint thread, this is just to share how much it would take.
This calculation includes: * Dropsuit command lvl V * Gallente Medium Dropsuit lvl I * Dropsuit upgrades lvl V * Dropsuit Biotic upgrades lvl V * Dropsuit core upgrades lvl V * Dropsuit Electronics lvl V * Dropsuit Engineering lvl V * Dropsuit Armor upgrades lvl V * Armor repair systems lvl V * Armor plating lvl V * Weaponry lvl V * Light weapon operation lvl V * Assault rifle operation lvl V * Assault rifle proficiency lvl V
9986760 SP total. These are core skills + AR skills. brb, got to grind an extra 2 mil.
Not to mention the extra 1865520 it would take to get into proto medium frame. And then the extra 3,109,200 to get into assault proto gear.
Yeah, a long grind ahead of me. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:34:00 -
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Note that shield tankers will need an extra 932,760sp to max out shields. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:43:00 -
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Galdor Seregon wrote:So? when CCP originally talked about the skills way back in closed beta they said over 7 years of playtime just to max out everything, we've been playing with shortened skill trees so that we could test things out, now we're getting to the real meat and potatoes of the game and actually looking at a full game here 7 years to get EVERYTHING. This is just CORE SKILLS THAT EVERYONE NEEDS (minus armor skills but then you need shield skills) + AR specialization. Doesn't include dropsuit specialization. And I've been playing a lot, so imagine how a newberry will feel trying to get to 10mil. As I said, I'm not complaining, just want to discuss this to see what others think. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:46:00 -
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Spy Mouse wrote:You only need Weaponry level 3 for light weapons and it doesn't offer a damage bonus anymore so there is no need to get it to level 5 unless you plan on using heavy weapons. Weaponry is a core skill. Everything that gives a buff that relates to what I need is put to lvl V. Also, that skill is a x1 skill, even if I drop it to lvl3 it won't make much of a difference. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:54:00 -
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ca ronic wrote:Thanks, this is what i've been wondering. So about 10,000,000 for a maxed out proto? I'm 2 million short. I'm going to miss all the variety I have now, need to specialize this time. Nope. That's a level 1 suit. For proto it would be 12mil. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:58:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Good thing you have all of the standard and advanced equipment to fill the gap, eh? Lots of 5's you put up there on that list..
EVE Online Thanatos takes what... a few hundred days from scratch? HTFU.
EDIT: Also, you shouldn't NEED proto to be good. These are core skills. That means they give a bonus to something. That's why I put them at lvl V, not because of items.
The dropsuit is lvl 1. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:59:00 -
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low genius wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Galdor Seregon wrote:So? when CCP originally talked about the skills way back in closed beta they said over 7 years of playtime just to max out everything, we've been playing with shortened skill trees so that we could test things out, now we're getting to the real meat and potatoes of the game and actually looking at a full game here 7 years to get EVERYTHING. This is just CORE SKILLS THAT EVERYONE NEEDS (minus armor skills but then you need shield skills) + AR specialization. Doesn't include dropsuit specialization. And I've been playing a lot, so imagine how a newberry will feel trying to get to 10mil. As I said, I'm not complaining, just want to discuss this to see what others think. nobody is going to believe the bold portion. Everyone needs them to stay competitive. These skills add invaluable bonuses that not going for them will gimp you. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:00:00 -
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IceStormers wrote:Thanks OP i was working on the same figures glad we both came to the same number
im surprised its so low personally
i expected the dropsuit skills to take much more to get out of basic suits, i was expecting that my play time may let me get into the first of the role based suits
the whole idea is that you cant max out all the core skills, you should only be maxing them when there is nothing else more important for you to get
I have no intention of maxing those skills, i have them on my list and will be building my fit as i like it then skills to make sure it works, hopfully that means i dont need to max them from the start
We shall see Generally you max out core skills before you do anything else. Those skills make you more effective in everything, including standard and prototype gear. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:06:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:That's a lot of skillpoints right there, cat, but you might not wanna spend your hard earned SP exactly like that and let me tell you exactly why, man. I'm not going into too much details in this thread but I'm gonna just throw a couple of general pointers out there for you, bro. Number one, we all know the Dust skill system works in a way that every level in a skill increases in cost which makes it sometimes so that you might not wanna go to level 5 in some skills. Let's take engineering or electronics as an example, guys. You might not wanna go blindly rushing there because in many cases your fitting doesn't even require that skill at all, because as we know any unused CPU/PG doesn't give us any bonuses, boys and girls. So go ahead and check your fittings before spending all that SP so fast.
Number two. Some of those requirements skills you mentioned do not need to be at level 5 for you to access the skills following that in the tree. And yeah, you might wanna skill up them eventually for a bonus, but like you said, man, you're on a budget so you might wanna be very selective on what you going after. Peace out! That is true except for: As an assault, even a proto one, I'm always tight with the fittings, in fact I got my fit maxed out exactly to the amount of CPU/PG I have. And that's with the maxed out skills + a few extra skills that reduce cpu/pg usage of some modules, as needed. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:09:00 -
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Ryanki wrote:how much can i get with just 4.5m sp? O.o I could do without max armor plating and repairs and biotics.. Those skills don't take much. The main SP hogs are: *Dropsuit electronics *Dropsuit engineering *Assault rifle proficiency |
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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:21:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:That's a lot of skillpoints right there, cat, but you might not wanna spend your hard earned SP exactly like that and let me tell you exactly why, man. I'm not going into too much details in this thread but I'm gonna just throw a couple of general pointers out there for you, bro. Number one, we all know the Dust skill system works in a way that every level in a skill increases in cost which makes it sometimes so that you might not wanna go to level 5 in some skills. Let's take engineering or electronics as an example, guys. You might not wanna go blindly rushing there because in many cases your fitting doesn't even require that skill at all, because as we know any unused CPU/PG doesn't give us any bonuses, boys and girls. So go ahead and check your fittings before spending all that SP so fast.
Number two. Some of those requirements skills you mentioned do not need to be at level 5 for you to access the skills following that in the tree. And yeah, you might wanna skill up them eventually for a bonus, but like you said, man, you're on a budget so you might wanna be very selective on what you going after. Peace out! That is true except for: As an assault, even a proto one, I'm always tight with the fittings, in fact I got my fit maxed out exactly to the amount of CPU/PG I have. And that's with the maxed out skills + a few extra skills that reduce cpu/pg usage of some modules, as needed. Well then you've already calculated everything, I don't need to say no more. Other than I still think I'd save somewhere and go for a better suit skill. I was thinking of going for at least the prototype generic suit, but I still haven't decided anything. On a side note, and as a scout player, bro, I was inspecting the stats of the assault suits compared to logis and I might be missing something here but it seems like logis are superior to assaults in so many ways. What do you think about that? Logis are slower and have less base HP and have no sidearm. But yes, I agree, I would actually go for logi as they seem to be better survivors. However I can't deal with the speed reduction, I already feel slow as a snail with 6.50 using armor plates on my assault. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:25:00 -
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Ryanki wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Ryanki wrote:how much can i get with just 4.5m sp? O.o I could do without max armor plating and repairs and biotics.. Those skills don't take much. The main SP hogs are: *Dropsuit electronics *Dropsuit engineering *Assault rifle proficiency how much would neglecting assault proficiency give in sp? Also, by electronics and engineering, is it considering mostly circuitry and combat engineering (plus shield enhancements), or is it considering all the skills in those? Assault proficiency will set you back by 1,554,600sp. That's the same for Electronics and Engineering each. And I don't understand your second question, could you rephrase that? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:58:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Spy Mouse wrote:You only need Weaponry level 3 for light weapons and it doesn't offer a damage bonus anymore so there is no need to get it to level 5 unless you plan on using heavy weapons. Weaponry is a core skill. Everything that gives a buff that relates to what I need is put to lvl V. Also, that skill is a x1 skill, even if I drop it to lvl3 it won't make much of a difference. Yes, that is a core skill to what YOU need. But if I'm Logistics with a focus on repairing, reviving, and resupply, weaponry will not be a core skill (after Uprising, like Spy Mouse said, it no longer gives damage bonus). And If I'm a tanker, Weaponry before OR after Uprising build wouldn't help me since I would need turret skills, not handheld weapon skills. So it should be "Weaponry is a core skill [that I need]." You are correct. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:12:00 -
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Ryanki wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Assault proficiency will set you back by 1,554,600sp. That's the same for Electronics and Engineering each. And I don't understand your second question, could you rephrase that?
Like as in, by electronics and engineering, they're not new individual skills right? I'm wondering what skills u would consider being under those umbrellas as taking up most of the SP such as like Circuitry, nanocircuitry, sensor upgrades, etc being under ELectronics They're renamed. Circuitry = Dropsuit Electronics Combat Engineering = Dropsuit Engineering
These two are separate skills giving bonuses to CPU and PG respectively.
It goes:
_________________________________________ ----> Dropsuit Electronics Dropsuit upgrades--> Dropsuit core upgrades ---> | _________________________________________ ----> Dropsuit Engineering |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:02:00 -
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Doesn't seem that bad now that I think of it. I was using boosters and playing for quite a while. My main concern is the newberries who start with 500k SP. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.05 03:43:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:Cat Merc wrote:ca ronic wrote:Thanks, this is what i've been wondering. So about 10,000,000 for a maxed out proto? I'm 2 million short. I'm going to miss all the variety I have now, need to specialize this time. Nope. That's a level 1 suit. For proto it would be 12mil. incorrect there are proto base suits which are more like our current suits we rocking now the race bonus suits are a different more specialised tier and that category also comes in std, adv and proto just like the basic I WAS talking about the basic proto, not specialized proto. A specialized one would be 15mil. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.05 03:56:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Also, you shouldn't NEED proto to be good. Word. You need it for PC, where every edge is needed. |
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